Fuck You, Bat Lady, Part Two: The Electric Fuck-A-Roo

[snogged]

I shouldn't be surprised that she responded to the message I sent her.



I am not agreeing with Akin, I feel his comments were stupid. I believe he misspoke, and that his comments weren't said in malice towards women. He has apologized, realizing that his statement was stupid, and I believe in giving people a chance to redeem themselves and become informed on the topic.

I have a very close friend who was conceived through a rape situtation. Her mother chose to give her life and give her up for adoption. She is a wonderful person, and I am so greatful that her mother didn't compound the crime that was committed upon her by taking the life of her unborn child.

I also have a sister that had an abortion when her boyfriend deserted her. She chose at my father's insistance to end her child's life. She suffers from this decision every day of her life. She can no longer have children, and this has been very painful to her. No one wants to talk about this aspect though. A lot of people speak about abortion in very clinical terms, but don't stop and consider the damage to the woman's soul after she has made this "choice". I am pro-life, and after having had two childen, I can say that it would have been murder for me to have ended either one of their lives, not matter how they were conceived.

I understand your stance, and you will have to make your choice. I was only chastizing Obama on using this in his campaign. He has misspoken often, as has his VP Biden. Biden's comments calling Romney and Ryan racists who wants to "put y'all back in chains" was extremely offensive to me. Shameful rhetoric from the Vice President of the United States. Politicians ALL need to be held to a higher standard and realize that what they say does matter.


Honestly, I can't even bring myself to respond to her.

All I can do is defriend.

And I'm thinking it might not hurt to outright block her.

Comments

[lzod.livejournal.com]

I've known women who have had abortions who don't feel that way.

& Mitty has slammed his foot into his mouth so many times, its amazing he doesn't have a bigger mouth!

She's bat shit insane is what she is....

[snogged.livejournal.com]

She is the bat lady so bat shit insane makes sense.

[velvetwhip.livejournal.com]

I have friends who are pro-life and I deeply respect their opinions and beliefs, but I also have friends who have made the choice to end their pregnancies and I deeply respect them as well. The idea of enshrining in law a prohibition based on the moral beliefs of some which would deprive everyone of their freedom to make decisions which should only be made by the pregnant woman herself is wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong.


Gabrielle

[rockstarpeach.livejournal.com]

I actually disagree that it should be only the pregnant woman who gets to make that decision. It takes two people to conceive a child and if the father is in the picture, it should be his choice as well. If either one of them is against abortion, it shouldn't happen.

[velvetwhip.livejournal.com]

I understand your perspective. I must admit to a certain bias since I knew of one situation where the father tried to insist my friend keep the baby - a baby he had no desire to help support or raise. He just "didn't approve" of abortion. In a situation like that, I don't think the father has a right to say a word.


Gabrielle

[rockstarpeach.livejournal.com]

Yeah, in a situation like that, I would tend to agree with you. I guess I feel like that should be covered under some kind of custody agreement, or something. He can choose to legally give up his rights to the child, which starts immediately, or he can choose to be physically and financially supportive, which extends for 18 years.

Obviously, that is not the law, but it should be! :)

[snogged.livejournal.com]

I like this way of thinking, Peach!

[hisui-ryoshi.livejournal.com]

I don't know you, but I have some questions so I hope you don't mind.

I guess this raises some concerns for me. I don't know if you've seen the article on CNN (link at bottom) about how several states allow rapists to sue for parental rights. I'm a worst case scenario type of thinker and my fear is that a rule/law that requires a woman to get the agreement of the father could go badly in situations like rape where it is about power.

I certainly think it is always something a woman should discuss with her partner. I mean if the woman doesn't want the baby I do think there are other options such as adoption or the father perhaps raising the child. However, I think in some cases it needs to be up to just the woman. Yes, it takes two to make a child, but it's the woman that has to carry the baby and unless legal arrangements are made before the baby is born it is always the mother who (at least in my experience which is not great) is automatically assumed to get custody/responsibility.

Personally, I hate this whole argument because I do feel there are other options more in line with my belief, but my beliefs are not everyone's and I just don't think I have the right to speak for them, or decide what they can do.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/22/opinion/prewitt-rapist-visitation-rights/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

[rockstarpeach.livejournal.com]

The idea of allowing a convicted rapist to sue for custody is just... It's so ridiculous, I can't even.

I mean, wouldn't they be too busy serving time behind bars to raise a child?

But in cases where it was consensual and the father is in the picture, wanting be a father, I don't think that a woman should get to make that choice for them both.

I also don't think a woman should be legally allowed to not inform the father if she gets pregnant.

Pretty much the worst thing I could imagine (which I'll never have to deal with personally, because I'm a woman!) is someone keeping a child a secret, or aborting a pregnancy, so I never got a chance to know that child.

I put myself in a potential father's shoes, where his wife/girlfriend/one-night-stand aborts, when he's desperate for the chance to know his baby? Yeah, that's horrible.

It is a very muddy situation, you're right. And it doesn't look like there will ever be one definitive answer, because every situation is different.

[hisui-ryoshi.livejournal.com]

I think in the author's specific case he offered not to sue for custody if she didn't name him as a rapist.

Because they can sue for custody before they can be convicted? And since apparently people in south don't believe in children from rape? IDK. It seems highly sketchy to me.

I can't agree more with your one size not fitting everyone conclusion. I think the whole situation is just too complex and in many cases just sad.

[snogged.livejournal.com]

Simply put, politicians don't belong in my vagina.

[velvetwhip.livejournal.com]

Unless you're having sex with a senator... And who would want to?

No, but seriously, politics and women's bodies do not mix.


Gabrielle

[aaronlisa.livejournal.com]

Good for her that she's pro-life, she's entitled to her own choice but she has no right, nor does any politician have the right, to tell me what my choice is supposed to be.

I don't blame you for defriending and blocking her.

[snogged.livejournal.com]

Politicians especially shouldn't have the right to control my vagina. They can't even say the word on the Senate floor.

[cee-m.livejournal.com]

Yeah. That kind of crazy you don't need around you.

[snogged.livejournal.com]

Precisely.

[purplefeen.livejournal.com]

Yes, I am against abortion as a form of birth control, but I am not stupid enough to buy that "misspoke" crap. He knew exactly what he was saying, he just wasn't bright enough to know that it was crap. And every woman I know who has had an abortion - of which there are many, only one in the case of rape - and not a single one of them has had any qualms that it was the right decision. Why the republicans keep beating this dead horse, I have no idea.

You're better off.

[snogged.livejournal.com]

I don't believe he misspoke either.

Thanks.

[hisui-ryoshi.livejournal.com]

Republicans misspeak all the time.

Democrats on the other hand only say hateful and ignorant things and are out to destroy our nation.

I shared my whole hurricanes are an Act of God thing with you on FB this morning, and several people have come to the same comments I did on websites. They are being called hateful, disgusting human beings. They are often times prefacing with their hope that nothing actually happens to Tampa. But the mere suggestion that God would judge Republicans is disgusting and they are told that while Republicans make their comments in ignorance and hope for a better nation, Democrats speak only from hate and a desire to see themselves furthered.

Also that the only way Obama can win this election is if Romney dies in a hurricane so of course we have to hope.

I hold the deepest respect for human life, and hope no one is hurt by a hurricane or other natural disaster. I also don't believe natural events are judgement from a higher power.

I seriously need to step away from the news for a few days because there is just so much rage.

[snogged.livejournal.com]

*hugs*
Sometimes it does help to shield oneself from the news for a little bit.

[rua1412.livejournal.com]

Since I have no clue about what this Akin person said, and about the political discussion going on in US about this, I can't sadly reply to her, BUT I have a few questions.

1)She made the example of a person being adopted after her mother was raped, etc.. how did this person knew about what happened to her mother? Shouldn't be secret who give the baby in adoption and her story? Here works in this way.

2) Does she realizes that when someone make the decision to have an abort, she ponders before to have it? It is hardly possible that a woman decide for the abort without to given it the right weight it'll be on her future.

[snogged.livejournal.com]

I nabbed this from the New York Times for your benefit.

"“It seems to me, from what I understand from doctors, that’s really rare,” Mr. Akin said of pregnancies from rape. “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let’s assume that maybe that didn’t work or something: I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be of the rapist, and not attacking the child.”

As far as your first question goes, I don't know a lot about the adoption process, but what I do know is that children who are adopted can find out who their birth mother/father is either by asking their adopted parents or by seeking it out on their own.

[rua1412.livejournal.com]

The laws about adoption are diffeent here.
You can't track down who were your parents, if they don't want.

Legitimate rape????
Could you please kick this "being" for me? Thank you so much!

[novemberrain007.livejournal.com]

Regarding Akin's statement: I don't think there are any words in the English language that are strong or offensive enough to describe the disgusting essence of his being.

So, to summarise:

[spike7451.livejournal.com]

And I'm thinking it might not hurt to outright block her.

.... sounds like a very good idea!

[snogged.livejournal.com]

Agreed!

[spartan5000.livejournal.com]

I have a co-worker who holds similar views and has spent hours over the last week trying to explain this away to anyone who'll listen. She got mad at me when I told her it was the deliberate ignorance, not the 'mis-speak' that bothered me; that for any politician to be that intentionally stupid, especially about the bodies of half the human beings on the planet, is outrageous. And that for anyone to defend him by saying that people like me are bullying him and people of faith... when they're the ones purposely setting out to use political power to bully women into turning over control of their bodies, is just sick.

I am now being shunned... I guess. Do I care? Not really.

You have my sympathies. Congratulations too!

[spikesjojo.livejournal.com]

Sometimes you can't reason with a person. My husband's mother sought to abort him, couldn't, and left him at the hospital. Am I glad he's alive? Yes. Do I believe no one should have an abortion because of that - absolutely not. I hate abortion - but I hate even more the idea that a woman's body does not belong to her. I hate the idea that someone else has the right to tell any woman what they can or can't do. There is no more personal decision for a woman - and it is hers to make.

I'd say this person just has a strong political agenda. The issues is not abortion. I suspect if Obama came out and said air was good, she would turn blue holding her breath.

I'm an independent - I am not thrilled with either party. But I am really not thrilled with the whole Nero fiddling while all this crap is going down. Those political forces that thrive on dividing us are the real issue - and the people who bankroll them have a real agenda.

**hops off soapbox**